美国又使坏了法媒：墨西哥撤销中国公司中标高铁项目结果
凤凰财经综合 据法新社报道，墨西哥政府突然宣布取消中国公司的高铁投标。当地时间11月3日，墨西哥通信和交通部曾宣布中国铁建牵头的国际联合体中标墨西哥城至克雷塔罗高速铁路项目。据法新社，墨西哥交通部长Gerardo Ruiz Esparza告诉墨西哥Televisa电视台，墨西哥总统恩里克·培尼亚·涅托（Enrique Pena Nieto)数分钟前撤消了11月3日的投标结果，并决定重启投标程序。墨西哥称，中国公司中标权被撤销是为了避免“对投标过程的透明度和合法性存在的质疑”，因为只有中国一组竞标。
中国高铁要想走出去还真是难，连这样搞好合同都被硬生生的打了回来。
这个有违约金嘛？ 好事。。。。。。 这个项目本来就是赔本的。不干才是正好 这么便宜怎么能给墨西哥修呢？不修更好。 多好的事！可遇不可求的好事！这个世界能低成本建高铁的舍我其谁？这件事一则省了中国不菲的投资，毕竟较之中国的投资墨西哥的回报少。再则国人会认识到中国在美洲的基建投入没必要赔本赚吆喝。三则不用中国高铁，在中国高铁的技术和成本优势面前，有限的几个国家的高铁建设力量随着时间的推移被耗死的可能性越来越大。 墨西哥是反美的，不知上面新闻，哪里是看出来美国使坏了？ 爱咋咋地 这个要看是商业原因，还是背后的政治原因，现在还不清楚
还有第二轮投标呢，中国给的条件最好了，不选中国，除非墨西哥真傻了。
据说美国加州打算让中国建高铁呢。
思炎 发表于 2014-11-8 10:48 static/image/common/back.gif
这个要看是商业原因，还是背后的政治原因，现在还不清楚
还有第二轮投标呢，中国给的条件最好了，不选中 ...
加州怎么修高铁，城市没公共交通，还不如自己开车 morningtiger 发表于 2014-11-8 11:14 static/image/common/back.gif
加州怎么修高铁，城市没公共交通，还不如自己开车
out了吧
http://www.yicai.com/news/2014/10/4031469.html 思炎 发表于 2014-11-8 11:32 static/image/common/back.gif
out了吧
http://www.yicai.com/news/2014/10/4031469.html
日本有个方案：日本的高铁技术由日美共享，两国合建高铁。 极乐鸟 发表于 2014-11-8 13:05
日本有个方案：日本的高铁技术由日美共享，两国合建高铁。
本子那个高成本在中国面前毫无优势，如果不搞共享，估计没人会用本子技术来修高铁 思炎 发表于 2014-11-8 10:48 static/image/common/back.gif
这个要看是商业原因，还是背后的政治原因，现在还不清楚
还有第二轮投标呢，中国给的条件最好了，不选中 ...
据埃菲社当地时间6日报道，墨西哥交通部长埃斯巴尔萨表示，总统涅托数分钟前撤消了11月3日的投标结果。他称，重启投标程序将给其他厂商更多的准备时间，总统希望“对墨西哥如此重要的项目”能毫无争议、绝对明确，“为此，我们很快将重新招标，多几周时间，会有更多车辆制造厂商参与投标。”
这是墨西哥官方的说法。如果是商业原因，为什么在11月3日的招标让中铁集团中标呢？墨西哥完全可以拖延数周时间，不必选定中铁集团，看看其他公司能否拿出令墨西哥满意的标书。在11月3日选定了中铁集团的标书，几天后就出尔反尔撤销标书重新招标，要说这是因为商业原因，那墨西哥的国家信誉也太低了。 冷酷到底 发表于 2014-11-8 17:48
这是墨西哥官方的说法。如果是商业原因，为什么在11月3日的招标让中铁集团中标呢？墨西哥完全可以拖延数 ...
说法就只是说法，毕竟在美国后院。还有人说墨西哥反美，偶滴神啊。
饭是一口一口吃的，反正加州高铁拿下了，路还长。 思炎 发表于 2014-11-8 11:32 static/image/common/back.gif
out了吧
http://www.yicai.com/news/2014/10/4031469.html
我跟这新闻几年了，有啥out。老板娘要多做功课啊:lol 桃生 发表于 2014-11-8 08:37 static/image/common/back.gif
墨西哥是反美的，不知上面新闻，哪里是看出来美国使坏了？
墨西哥是反美的？这个程度有多反，有像古巴，委拉瑞拉那样？在说就算当前墨政府反美
这个事是因为反对党的反对而导致的，光一个反对党有这么大的能量让政府否掉自己刚签的协议 期海泛舟 发表于 2014-11-8 17:02 static/image/common/back.gif
本子那个高成本在中国面前毫无优势，如果不搞共享，估计没人会用本子技术来修高铁
对头 morningtiger 发表于 2014-11-8 20:18 static/image/common/back.gif
我跟这新闻几年了，有啥out。老板娘要多做功课啊
那你还问？
给大家分享分享你做的功课嘛 {:4_255:} 本帖最后由 思炎 于 2014-11-9 11:19 编辑
冷酷到底 发表于 2014-11-8 17:48 http://www.sychaguan.com/static/image/common/back.gif
这是墨西哥官方的说法。如果是商业原因，为什么在11月3日的招标让中铁集团中标呢？墨西哥完全可以拖延数 ...
反对党不反对，就不是反对党了{:4_263:}
墨西哥执政的是革命制度党（PRI），长期执政墨西哥，与中国不错。
此前，曾经表示出浓厚兴趣的日本三菱、法国阿尔斯通、加拿大庞巴迪、德国西门子曾要求延迟投标时间但遭到墨西哥交通部拒绝。 最终只有中国铁建和中国南车参与了竞标。
10月份，墨西哥媒体曾报道过该项目过于仓促，对参与者不公平，而且披露，与中方联合的墨西哥公司与政府官员过于密切。
有可能是反对党被另几家公司“收买”， 当然也有墨西哥国内政治政党斗争因素，但这件事美国因素应该不是主因。
在前进的路上受点挫折，没必要每件事都上纲上线。
墨西哥总统估计有点灰头土脸的来参加APEC了。
宣传的目的已经达到，二轮最好干脆不参加了，或者报个高价。
以儆效尤。 桃生 发表于 2014-11-8 08:37 static/image/common/back.gif
墨西哥是反美的，不知上面新闻，哪里是看出来美国使坏了？
墨西哥是反美的? 哈哈哈哈哈 标还是要竟的，价格好商量。买的没有卖的精，做生意谁会赔本赚吆喝。当然利益渠道输送除外。 这事要结合工商银行在墨西哥开分行一起来看。
我估摸着最后还是我们来修，不过价格至少要翻番了。 本帖最后由 morningtiger 于 2014-11-10 10:18 编辑
思炎 发表于 2014-11-9 10:55 static/image/common/back.gif
那你还问？
给大家分享分享你做的功课嘛
我那是反问句，不是疑问句:lol
这是2011年的一篇旧文 How Flaws Undid Obama’s Hope for High-Speed Rail in Florida
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/us/12rail.html?pagewanted=all
09年美国提出经济刺激的时候，高铁概念就浮现了。10年的时候大概是美国高铁概念的一个小高潮，巴马吧唧吧唧天天说我鳖的高铁。当时在跨越的领导下，一时所向披靡。2010年联邦政府批给佛罗里达24亿美金修一条高铁（Orlando 到 Tampa）。加上迪斯尼，全程大概230公里，总造价26亿。kao，每公里1100万，1/2鳖国预算）。但是这事还是黄了，虽然联邦政府给的钱基本上都快够了。
这里面当然也有政治原因（原文很长），但致命伤就是
The Tampa-to-Orlando route had obvious drawbacks: It would have linked two cities that are virtually unnavigable without cars, and that are so close that the new train would have been little faster than driving.
那么加州会好些吗？毕竟900多公里呢。这就牵扯到很多问题。比如是否全线同时贯通？如果分段，那基本上和佛州的下场一样。毕竟大部分美国城市的公共交通不怎么样。另外加州全州虽然很牛，但也只有3000万人。勉强和北京人口打平。这种人口密度对需要的高铁密度和鳖国的没法比。另外老美修路的风格，老板娘应该也是知道的。
那篇文章结尾
Now, with the collapse of the Florida route, it looks as if the nation’s first segment of true high-speed rail will be in an even unlikelier place — linking Fresno and Bakersfield, in California’s Central Valley, and scheduled to end construction in 2017.
现在2015年都快来了。
关于加州的高铁预算网上很多，可以找来看看。如果一定修，肯定只能用我鳖了。但我鳖的传统竞争优势在美国又能发挥多少还是一个大问号，毕竟项目本身可不可行最重要。
其实美国最有希望搞高铁的还是东北，毕竟现有资源检验过，人口密度也最高。
http://www.mapofusa.net/us-population-density-map.htm
问题的是有既有线了，没法整。
我一直认为海外高铁市场没多大。如果没有我鳖，就是一个小众。别人过去没搞起来是有原因的。而我鳖能带来的改变究竟是什么？便宜？究竟能便宜多少，离开了我鳖自己的环境。
先存钱吧，党国还需要我们买房拉动经济呢
中铁的墨西哥小伙伴送了总统夫人一栋700万的房子，这个也没申报过。第一夫人说是自己12年买的。这事和中铁应该没啥关系。但是我想说的是，别人想搞砸你的事的成本太低了。小国家颠覆一个政府才多少钱。还是那句话，有钱没枪是凯子。搞马歇尔，先死几十万人，再驻军几十万先。自己看吧，比较长。
Cloud Hangs Over Mexico First Lady’s House
Home Is Tied to Company That Won Government Contracts
Mexico's President Enrique Peña Nieto and first lady Angelica Rivera on Sept. 16. REUTERS
By
David Luhnow,
Santiago Perez and
Dudley Althaus
Nov. 9, 2014 8:32 p.m. ET
MEXICO CITY—Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, who has built a reputation as a reformer, faced questions about his family’s purchase of a home held by a company whose owner has won multiple government projects during the president’s administration and his previous term as a state governor.
The revelations, first published online by a prominent Mexican journalist, come just days after the government abruptly canceled a $3.7 billion high-speed train to ensure there were no doubts about the project, officials said. The contract was won earlier in the week by a Chinese-led consortium that includes a construction firm tied to the developer holding the title to the first lady’s house.
The house title is in the name of a company called Ingenieria Inmobiliaria del Centro, according to property records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. That firm is owned by Juan Armando Hinojosa Cantú, the owner of Grupo Higa SA and its unit Constructores Teya, which won part of the bullet-train contract as well as several big contracts during Mr. Peña Nieto’s 2006-2012 term as governor of the State of Mexico, according to public information.
Eduardo Sánchez, a spokesman for the president, told The Wall Street Journal that the home in question, which has six bedrooms and is in one of Mexico City’s most exclusive neighborhoods, belongs to the first lady, Angéica Rivera, a former soap-opera star.
“She was a successful actress and has built up her own patrimony,” said Mr. Sánchez. He said Ms. Rivera was paying the home off in installments. When the last installment is paid, the title will switch to her name.
Mr. Peña Nieto’s office said in a statement Sunday that Ms. Rivera made a 30% down payment on the property in January 2012, seven months before her husband won the presidency. The first lady has been paying off the remainder of the home’s value in “punctual” fashion, the statement said.
The statement didn’t specify the terms of the purchase agreement or the price paid by Ms. Rivera. It noted that under the terms of their marriage contract, Mr. Peña Nieto and his wife have kept their finances separate.
The house could raise questions about the ties between contractors and the president at a time when the government is embarking on several high-profile infrastructure projects, as well as opening the politically sensitive energy market to private firms.
“This looks like an act of corruption, or influence peddling, which will deal a strong blow to the president’s image,” said José Antonio Crespo, a political analyst at the CIDE social-science research center in Mexico City.
Mr. Peña Nieto’s first two years in office were marked by a series of high-profile changes to Mexico’s economy that include opening up the country’s historically closed energy industry, weakening the powerful public-teachers union, and boosting competition in markets such as telecommunications.
Mr. Sanchez said it wasn’t a conflict of interest for the president’s family to own a home that was bought from a contractor. “This kind of company has properties all across the country. It’s perfectly normal,” he said.
The spokesman declined to give details of the price the first lady had agreed to pay for the home, saying that under Mexican law, relatives of politicians aren’t forced to disclose their assets.
Grupo Higa, based in Mr. Peña Nieto’s home state, didn’t respond to requests for comment.
The revelations about the first lady’s house come days after federal officials said they believed they found the remains of some 43 missing college students who were abducted and killed by a drug gang allied with local police in southern Mexico. The fate of the students, missing for six weeks, had captivated Mexico and underscored the country’s ongoing security challenges.
The house controversy could also revive memories for many Mexicans of past corruption scandals under the ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, which ran the country for 71 years until it lost power in 2000. The PRI returned to the presidency in 2012 under Mr. Peña Nieto, a telegenic politician who has passed several big-ticket reforms and gained international recognition.
“The big, unfinished business for this government, and for the country, is rule of law,” said Luis de la Calle, an analyst and former government trade negotiator. “From the students to the top politicians, the message needs to be that laws apply to everyone.”
The house owned by the first lady has a $7 million market price, according to an independent valuation done by a firm hired by the reporting team, headed by journalist Carmen Aristegu, that broke the story. The monthslong investigation into the house was published Sunday on www.aristeguinoticias.com.
The home has never been listed by the president in his public declaration of his assets. But in a 2013 profile of the first lady by celebrity magazine Hola, she refers to the house as their main residence outside Los Pinos, the official presidential residence.
“In our house, we live the most normal life possible,” Ms. Rivera was quoted as saying in Hola’s May 2013 edition. Referring to her children, she said, “I have made them see that Los Pinos will be lent to us for only six years and that their true house, their home, is this where we have done this story.”
Ingenieria Inmobiliaria del Centro, the company that holds the title, was legally formed on Nov. 13, 2008, a day after Mr. Peña Nieto and his wife announced their relationship on a Mexican television program, records obtained by Aristegui show. The contractor purchased the Sierra Gorda Street lot on which the first lady’s house stands in November 2009, a month before the president and his wife became engaged, records show.
The house was built by Mexico City architect Miguel Ángel Aragonés. The architect’s website, www.aragones.com.mx, features pictures of the residence, which was completed in late 2011, just before the president was sworn in, and is called Casa La Palma.
Federal officials are required to file updated wealth and asset records to the federal comptrollers’ office on an annual basis, including those of the spouse and dependents. However, spouses aren’t required to disclose those assets to the public, said Salvador Vega, a senator from the opposition National Action Party who led Mexico´s comptrollers’ office from 2007 to 2011.
“The law says that this is just optional,” Sen. Vega said. “Not even the president´s wife is required to do so.”
In 2010, Mr. Peña Nieto´s predecessor Felipe Calderón opted to publicly disclose the assets of his wife, Margarita Zavala.
Sen. Vega said the rules and format for the public disclosure of annual asset filings by federal officials was modified by the government shortly after Mr. Peña Nieto took office in Dec. 2012.
“The new rules basically watered down the information that had to be disclosed to the public, and that included the valuation of properties,” Mr. Vega added.
Late Thursday of last week, Mr. Peña Nieto’s administration abruptly scrapped the contract to build a high-speed train between Mexico City and the central city of Querétaro, just days after the contract was awarded to a group of companies led by China Railway Construction Corp. and China’s CSR Corp.
The turnaround came days ahead of the president’s planned trip to China on Sunday for the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit.
Communications and Transport Minister Gerardo Ruiz Esparza said the project was canceled to allay doubts about the bidding process. The winning consortium was the only bidder after several leading international companies such as Bombardier and France’s Alsthom complained that the government had given them only two months to study the project and submit a bid.
The government said it would issue a new tender by month’s end and allow bidders six months to submit proposals.
Grupo Higa was one of the partners in the winning bid for the high-speed train. It won several large contracts during the president’s term as governor of the State of Mexico.
One Higa unit called Constructora Teya won a $500 million contract to build a public hospital, while another company Eolo Plus, owned by Higa’s owner, rented private jets to the Peña Nieto presidential campaign, according to copies of receipts detailed by Mexico’s government transparency watchdog.
桃生 发表于 2014-11-8 08:37 static/image/common/back.gif
墨西哥是反美的，不知上面新闻，哪里是看出来美国使坏了？
黑西哥有两个政府，一个是白，一个更白（白面）。
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